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21. Christy Chapin, PhD: Bad Incentives, the AMA, and How US Healthcare Became Dysfunctional

In this conversation, Daniel Belkin and  Mitch Belkin speak with Professor Christy Chapin, who is an Associate Professor of History at University of Maryland Baltimore County. We discuss how the American insurance company-based model of healthcare developed in the first half of the 20th century. Specifically, we explore the role of some of the major actors who created the fragmentary and expensive US healthcare landscape: the American Medical Association (AMA), Blue Cross and Blue Shield, as well as private insurance companies.

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In this episode, Professor Chapin defines what she terms the “insurance company model” of healthcare. We explore various competing models at the turn of the 20th century, including prepaid physician groups, which were an early multi-specialty group practice. (This model of healthcare delivery, which Professor Chapin argues, could have become the dominant model of US healthcare, was effectively banned by the American Medical Association in 1938).

We discuss the organizational history of the AMA, its rise to prominence, and how it influenced the development of American healthcare. While the AMA attempted to maintain physician autonomy in the 1920s, concerns of government involvement prompted a 1938 deal with insurance companies that produced our current model of 3rd party financed healthcare. By insisting on a fee-for-service payment structure, this led to vast increases in the cost of care. Overtime, increasing insurance company regulation and government involvement (Medicare, the ACA, etc.) have attempted to reduce costs with limited success.

Professor Chapin argues that the US healthcare system is not a free market. Rather, it is a product of warped incentives brought about by historical negotiations between insurance companies, hospitals, government agencies, and special interest groups. Cost containment measures instituted by insurance companies to reduce costs have led insurers to effectively control the practice of medicine.

Who is Christy Chapin?

In addition to being an Associate Professor of History at UMBC, Professor Chapin is a visiting scholar at Johns Hopkins. Her professional interests include 20th century U.S. political, business, and economic history. She’s also the author of Ensuring America’s Health: The Public Creation of the Corporate Health Care System, which was published in 2015.

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20. Jason Ryan, MD: Physician Entrepreneurship, Boards and Beyond, and How to Improve Medical Education

In this conversation, Mitch Belkin and Daniel Belkin speak with Dr. Jason Ryan, the creator of Boards and Beyond. We discuss how he started Boards and Beyond, what aspects of medical education are in need of reform, and why he is bullish on med ed entrepreneurship. 

In this episode, we cover Dr. Ryan’s background, his roots in chemical engineering, and how he decided on internal medicine and cardiology. We delve into how Dr. Ryan started Boards and Beyond, as his first entrepreneurial venture in 2014. He discusses why and how he began the medical education company, how he incorporates feedback into the product, as well as the difficulties he has encountered running the business. We touch on problems with standardized testing, how residency programs evaluate applicants, and why attendings struggle to evaluate medical students. Finally, we discuss how to reduce costs in medical school and the difficulties medical schools have in finding medical preceptors.

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Who is Jason Ryan?

Dr. Jason Ryan is a general cardiologist and an Associate Professor of Medicine at the University of Connecticut. He received his MD and MPH from University of Connecticut before completing his postdoctoral training at Harvard’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. Dr. Ryan is a gifted medical educator and the creator of Boards and Beyond, a video subscription service that provides a comprehensive review of USMLE Board topics. 

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19. Rick Johnson, MD: Fructose, Metabolic Syndrome, and Bipolar Disorder

In this conversation, Mitch Belkin and Daniel Belkin speak with Rick Johnson, MD, about how his views on fructose metabolism have evolved over the past decade. If you haven’t checked out the first episode with Dr. Johnson (episode 9), check that out for more background.

In this episode, Dr. Rick Johnson talks about endogenous fructose metabolism, the thrifty gene hypothesis, fat as a source of metabolic water, dehydration and how it stimulates fat production, as well as the relationship between uric acid and bipolar disorder. He also talks about how alcohol-induced liver disease is actually mediated by fructose. Finally, he argues that fructose metabolism is a significant contributor to Alzheimer’s disease. 

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Who is Rick Johnson?

Dr. Johnson is a Professor of Nephrology at the University of Colorado School of Medicine. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fructose. His research focuses on the role of fructose and uric acid in obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and kidney disease. He is the author of over 700 academic papers as well as three books for a general audience: The Fat Switch, The Sugar Fix, and most recently Nature Wants Us To Be Fat.

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18. Nikhil Krishnan: Healthtech Startups, Dank Memes, and Zero to One in Healthcare

In this conversation, Mitch Belkin and Daniel Belkin speak with Nikhil Krishnan about his healthcare newsletter (OutofPocket), why he’s optimistic about healthcare startups, and what he’s learned from investing in health tech companies. He talks about his preferred business models and gives advice to healthcare entrepreneurs on the zero-to-one phase of startups. We also discuss direct-to-physician and direct-to-consumer advertising of pharmaceuticals, digital therapeutics, unbundling of the hospital, and touch on medical education. 

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Who is Nikhil Krishnan?

Nikhil Krishnan is a prolific blogger and masterful meme-maker who writes about healthcare. He’s the author of a free newsletter (outofpocket.health) on which he tries to make healthcare and changes in the industry accessible. Previously, he worked at TrialSpark, building a new way to run clinical trials faster and cheaper, and CB Insights creating data driven research trends in healthcare. He is the author of a children’s book and a Medical Bankruptcy Game.

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17. Robert Montgomery, MD: Immunology, Pig Organs, and the Future of Transplantation

In this episode, Mitch Belkin and Daniel Belkin speak with Robert Montgomery, MD, DPhil, about his background, family history of cardiomyopathy, as well as his work in immunology and transplantation. We discuss the 3 types of organ rejection, how to manage and prevent rejection, porcine endogenous viruses, as well as Dr. Montgomery’s work on xenotransplantation. This podcast was recorded on February 4th, 2022. 

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Who is Robert Montgomery?

Dr. Robert Montgomery is a Professor of Surgery and the chair of the Department of Surgery at NYU Langone as well as the director of the NYU Langone Transplant Institute. He received his MD from the University of Rochester School of Medicine and completed his surgical residency, multi-organ transplant fellowship, and post-doctoral fellowship in Human Genetics at Johns Hopkins. He also received a Doctorate of Philosophy in molecular immunology from the University of Oxford. He’s been the recipient of many awards including the Johns Hopkins Clinician Scientist Award, the Champion of Hope Award from the National Kidney Foundation of Maryland, and the Terasaki Medical Innovation Award from the National Kidney Registry.

Dr. Montgomery developed the first laparoscopic kidney procurement technique for transplants as well as the first “domino paired donation” — which is when two or more donors and recipients are paired in a kidney swap. He helped develop a protocol combining kidney and bone marrow transplants to prevent rejection of donor organs in immune-incompatible patients which has eliminated the need for immunosuppressive therapy in some patients. In September 2021, Dr. Montgomery performed the first xenotransplantation of a nonhuman kidney to a deceased human donor.

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